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From the "Letters" section of the local newspaper today:

"Osama bin Laden has still not been caught, three years after 9/11. If Al Gore was President, how strident do you think the calls for impeachment would be today?"

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Date/Time: 2004-09-02 19:59 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] gruamach.livejournal.com
I'm sorry, but as much as Bush (well, really Cheney) has fucked up, Gore would be even worse.

If he'd been president, we'd be apologizing for upsetting Mr bin Laden by now.....
Date/Time: 2004-09-02 20:17 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] etcet.livejournal.com
what's the over/under date on when Pakistan will "dramagically" turn over ObL to the gov't? I'm thinking Columbus Day. . .

But, seriously - the GOP officials would be crying for a democratic president's job, if not his head, if, more than three years after the fact, the individual identified as being behind the 9/11 attacks was still at large. . . with the current administration, and, i'm sorry to say, the general media tendency to get cozy with them, you're lucky to see one ObL mention a month, because nobody is asking "Where is this fuck, so we can keeeeeel him?!?" with the stridency that it would be getting asked were the other party residing at 1600 pennsylvania ave.
Date/Time: 2004-09-02 21:42 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] gruamach.livejournal.com
I think the *REAL* problem / issue is that we're thinking and acting in terms of Repub vs. Dem instead of "Hey, we're the freakin US and this guy is trying to kill us!" (in general, not just about ObL)
Date/Time: 2004-09-02 21:44 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] smaugchow.livejournal.com
Rebuplicans do seem to be the noisy, angry fucks, an observation reinforced by the RNC last night. Cheney needs to lighten up. Hell, they all do.

Just once I want to hear politicians, big time politicians, say nice things about each other.....

Bush: "John Kerry is a fine American and I am thankful to him and every other veteran for stepping up to pay the price of freedom. He and they are heros and national treasures and we should all gie thanks to them, for hey are the ones who keep us safe and secure, they are the ones who sleep in dark and dangerous places, who go where angels fear to tread, to ensure our way of life. John Kerry is a good man and would make you a fine president, but here is why I feel I can do a better job..."

Kerry: "President Bush has presided over one of the darkest times in our great nation's history. No man, no president, would ever wish to shoulder the monumental burdens he has had to carry. He has worked hard to defend this nation against evil, and he has done many great works in furtherance of our safety and security. He is to be applauded and admired, for he has faced the gravest of tasks. He has done well, but here is why I feel I can do better...."

If I had heard shit like that outta these assholes....well, I'd pass out first, then go buy a ticket out of Bizarro World. But seriously, how hard is it to respect each other?! even if they are both power-mad idiots who would trade thousands of American lives for a sound-byte, evil puppeteers and machiavellian monsters, atleast have the decency to placate us with a hand-job and some pillow talk and not a sap to the base of the skull!

Fuckers.

I used to be a Republican, but I'm starting to become disillusioned. OK, I am almost fully disillusioned. But the Democrats are still pussies.
Date/Time: 2004-09-02 21:59 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] anditron.livejournal.com
yeah, i'm thinking you might have missed the point here. :/

If any Dem President had been in office during which the following events occured:

The deciding electoral votes came from a state in which a relative was the current Governor.
There was a good deal of confusion for the voters in said state which resulted in a large number of disqualified votes
The Electoral vote for the second (?) time ever in our nations history did not reflect the Popular vote.
9/11 happened and we were told we were going after Osama.
During the course of the war and especially following the official "end" of the war Osama was not produced.
We invaded another nation on grounds that they had assisted Osama and had Weapons of Mass Destruction
Discovered there was no evidence of Weapons of Mass Destruction what-so-ever.
A near complete ommission of the name Osama by the Administration since the invasion of this other nation,
Going to war with this other nation which just so happens to be the nation we were at war with 10 years prior during the Presidency of a man who happened to be the current Presidents father.

I can guarantee you that the Republicans would have begun proceedings to have that President impeached. I mean, they did it over a man who didn't want to make the affair he had with his intern a matter of national security.
Date/Time: 2004-09-02 22:06 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] anditron.livejournal.com
i'm curious to see Bush's speech tonight because I am more than confident he will bash Kerry at some point. The reason I bring this up is because Kerry during his DNC Speech, managaed to address the administrations actions and progress/lack of progress without mentioning Bush or Cheney's names even once. The closest he came was mentioning the Vice President, but he did not, in any way, attack the people in office, merely what the policies and actions have and have not resulted in.
Date/Time: 2004-09-02 22:15 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] smaugchow.livejournal.com
Kerry managed to take the high road - did the lesser Dems before him do the same?

Unfortunately, by being so issue-centric (but without really stating the steps to be taken to address those issues) his speech came across as meaningless - lots of nice sound bytes, very stirring, nicely paced and delivered, but ultimately empty. It's only saving race was that it wasn't nasty to the opposition.

Republicans seem to make a habit out of being harsh and vindictive over any little thing. It is one of the major points that is souring me to the party.
Date/Time: 2004-09-02 22:47 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] angel-renewed.livejournal.com
There was a good deal of confusion for the voters in said state which resulted in a large number of disqualified votes

Amen. Even Pat Buchannan said there was *no way* 3,500 elderly Jews in Palm Beach County voted for him. Yet, their votes were not applied appropriately to Gore; they remained for him

As Shrub had said repeatedly in 2000: "There is no concern. We will win Florida". Not in 2004. Not if *I* have anything to say about it.