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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/02/campaign.wrap/index.html

McCain: Obama lead growing because 'life isn't fair'


(I didn't believe the headline when tirani shared it with me, either.)

Comments

[sukipot.livejournal.com]

But McCain didn't do nothing... he did a whole lotta nothing, and that should count for something!

(That headline's pretty surprising, actually.)

[cchan8.livejournal.com]

What's worse is that he's whining about how he "suspended his campaign" -- doesn't he realize by now that most people thought it was lame?

[spacekadt.livejournal.com]

Wait... "suspended his campaign" and "pulled back ads"... that means sending everyone else out to campaign for you and place a new ad claiming that you won the debate 10 hours before the debate takes place, right?

My often used Denis Leary quote: "Life sucks, get a fucking helmet."

[ruefullyamused.livejournal.com]

McCain said he was "proud of the work that I did, particularly engaging the House Republicans who have been completely shut out of any negotiations. It's now going to be a bipartisan and bicameral result."

Thanks to McCain's leadership and predictive powers, the bill will now pass the House and Congress will function as defined. Without his intervention it would await the presidential pen with only Senate approval? If he were dictator he could skip the Senate altogether ;)

Dont understand Y every1 Likes Obama

[tlama.livejournal.com]

sukipot,

Criticize McCain as I'm sure you will, but how can you honestly say he did nothing? The person who truly did nothing is named Barack Obama. How can you even try to argue this? Say McCain was ineffective (which is subjective) but he DID do something. Reid and Pelosi have done an excellent job at mitigating McCain's function during this 'crisis.'

I honestly cannot understand why Obama gets so much support; he has flip flopped on Iraq, drilling, campaign finance, energy policies, he's accepted money in large quantities from Freddy and Fanny and HAS LITTLE EXPERIENCE.

What Obama is GREAT at is telling you what you want to hear, at promising us a bunch of things that he will not get passed through Congress, nor can he pay for (no, ending the war in Iraq will not fund projects...research how the war is paid for and how socialized medicine would be paid for) and of course he's great at raising money...oh yeah, he's also good at linking the most unpopular president in America's history to McCain who does not like Bush. If you followed the 2000 race you'd know this, but since linking McCain to Bush means votes for Obama, the Dems can hold a conference without saying "Bush-McCain policies."

You will not agree with everything McCain says, but at least you know what he believes in. And with that being said, I ask you, can you even get 10 people to agree on where to go for dinner? No way 300 million people will agree on how to deal with rising medical costs.

One final thing about McCain; he HAS proven his integrity and his leadership. You may not like how he leads but you can't question those things. Obama hasn't shown us anything; he found loop holes in his bid for the Senate race in IL that prevented people's votes from counting in the election; that's how he won. So Obama must think your vote counts...if its for him.

Re: Dont understand Y every1 Likes Obama

[etcet.livejournal.com]

Objectively speaking, during the sit-down with President Bush, all accounts are that Senator McCain contributed very little to the proceedings, and barely spoke during the meeting, and never spoke on the Senate floor during the discussion leading up to last night's vote. Senator Obama, on the other hand, along with his economic advisor, did participate actively in the drafting session with the President, and spoke on the Senate floor yesterday night.

These are not points of dispute, they are matters of record.

McCain circa 2000 and McCain 2008 are very, very different in their stance vis a vis George W. Bush; the former was fighting against him, the latter is marching in near lock-step with his policies. Again, a matter of record, as both his speeches and voting history show.

"Integrity in leadership" doesn't mean "selecting someone grotesquely unqualified as a running mate," it smacks of pure political cynicism. Wasn't he supposed to be Johnny Maverick?

Thank you for providing a dissenting viewpoint, however. I recommend you bring more facts and less rhetoric next time.

Re: Dont understand Y every1 Likes Obama

[tlama.livejournal.com]

There is no rhetoric in my post; they are facts. When this crisis was announced McCain left for Washington. Obama, as you stated yourself, did "speak" until yesterday night. You may need to update your calendar to show there are 7 days in a week. Again, let me point out, McCain took action; Obama yet again, gave a speech.

I also find it interesting that you glossed over the FACTS regarding Obama's stance changing dramatically on critical issues. I can respect a change of heart or more information leading to a different conclusion, but I do not feel this applies to Obama.

I am also simply amazed that Democrats question Palin's experience; I admit she has weak areas, but pound for pound, she is more experienced than Obama. So how can you question the GOP's number 2 person with the Dem's number 1 person...what sort of sense does that make?

You can say things are facts, that doesn't mean they are. I suggest you and the rest of America do some more research; if you want to support Obama, fine, it is a free country, but please do so based on the facts and not the empty rhetoric I am force-fed by the media, those blinded by an advertisement or a poetic speech.

Re: Dont understand Y every1 Likes Obama

[johnrj.livejournal.com]

You cannot be serious! Pound for pound, Palin is an intellectual lightweight of startling proportions. She can't even dodge a question without sounding empty-headed, even though she's been a governor and mayor. Time and again, she has demonstrated a total absence of interest in or knowledge of national and international issues, and she obviously knows even less about the Surpreme Court-- to which she may be one day making appointments. Taking your argument to its logical conclusion, Palin has more executive office experience than John McCain, because U.S. senators have no executive authority at all. Palin is governor of a state with a tenth as many people as the city of Los Angeles and which doesn't even have state income tax. Despite her relatively small state feeding from the trough of the oil companies, she still went to the federal government for her $100 million bridge to nowhere.

McCain, by the way, was the only one present at the meeting with the president last Saturday who said absolutely nothing and contributed no ideas to the process. And his meetings with fellow Republicans obviously achieved nothing, since two-thirds voted against the bail-out. Oh, he did manage to find time for dinner with Joe Lieberman at an expensive DC restaurant. Clearly, McCain's suspension of his campaign in order to grandstand in Washington was a "stunt", just as his choice of running mate was a stunt.

Re: Dont understand Y every1 Likes Obama

[etcet.livejournal.com]

When this crisis was announced McCain left for Washington.
.... after interviewing with Katie Couric, blowing off David Letterman, getting a good night's sleep, and attending a meeting with Bill Clinton's organization.

But, you know, other than that, he rushed.... and then spent several hours "phoning it in" to a lot of congressmen, almost none of whom delivered "yea" votes in the House.

If you want to call a softening of stance from immediate withdrawal to less immediate withdrawal "changing dramatically," what do you call McCain's 180 degree change in stance on Wall Street de/regulation? Pragmatism, or a flip-flop?

Re: Dont understand Y every1 Likes Obama

[johnrj.livejournal.com]

Obama is youthful, energetic and an extremely good communicator. He graduated top of his class at Harvard Law, was president of the Harvard Law Review, and he taught Constitutional law at Harvard. He comes from a mixed race family background of modest means and built his life through his own personal diligence and intelligence. He has worked on the local and national levels to make life better for his constituents, and he has shown prescient judgment in dealing with international issues, such as the war in Iraq. John McCain, on the other had, was the son of a famous Admiral, which is how he got into the Naval Academy. Unfortunately, he graduated second-to-last in a class of nearly 900 midshipmen, then went on to crash five very expensive aircraft. Narrowly escaping censure during the Keating Five scandal, he has become a well-known angry man in government who has terrible self-control. Vote your conscience.

Re: Dont understand Y every1 Likes Obama

[emzebel.livejournal.com]

Actually, he taught Con Law at U. Chicago. Obama was never on faculty at Harvard.

Re: Dont understand Y every1 Likes Obama

[johnrj.livejournal.com]

I believe he taught there briefly as a "visiting professor".

Re: Dont understand Y every1 Likes Obama

[emzebel.livejournal.com]

Do you have anything to back that up? To my knowledge, as a HLS graduate, he was never more than an exemplary student at Harvard.

Re: Dont understand Y every1 Likes Obama

[tlama.livejournal.com]

You have done a good job of skewing the facts. McCain served with honor in our armed forces, achieved a high level of success in a skilled field, avionics, showed moral courage and conviction while a POW, went on to overcome physical limitations as a result of being a POW, dealt with the difficulty of a marriage suffering 5 years of separation, went on to serve his country in Washington.

Now to hit some of his low points; yes ADMITTED his role in the Keating 5 incident, which by the way, amounted to accepting rides on an airplane when he should have. McCain has also admitted not speaking his mind on the Confederate flag issue. In short he has flaws.

You already listed most of Obama's qualifications so I'll jump to his purchase of a home with help of a felon, Rezko. He is the second largest acceptor of money from Fanny and Freddy, in less than half the time of the number 1 acceptor of money. He supports re-distribution of money on the USA; that is Socialism. Its a noble concept but NOT what Washington is built to do.

I agree with you, vote your conscience, but how can you do so while being so obviously one-sided? Obama is not qualified to be president...Period.

Re: Dont understand Y every1 Likes Obama

[johnrj.livejournal.com]

What do you mean "served with honor"? Everybody knows that McCain cracked while he was a POW. Other than that, he was just another prisoner. His POW status has been mythologized by the press (and McCain himself), to the point that his involuntary imprisonment is being characterized as somehow heroic. He got captured. He was a mediocre pilot with a considerably less than distinguished record at the Naval Academy, to which he was admitted only because his father and grandfather had been Admirals. McCain entered politics and immediately set about getting rich, hence his involvement with Keating, who was a firebrand ultra-conservative investment banker who bought power in Washington. It's not just that McCain has flaws. All candidates have them. He's just not that bright. Obama's association with Rezko was unfortunate, but it was also before Rezko was indicted. Harry S. Truman had questionable ties to local "characters" in Missouri, but nobody questioned his veracity or ethics even though he remained friendly with them after becoming president. (Are you going to pull out the Rev. Wright card next?) Similarly, Fanny and Freddy did not get into any trouble until early 2004 and their recent collapse surprised every one, including the Secretary of the Treasury. And just because you say Obama supports "socialism" doesn't make it so. This is the typical response from a free-market ideologue whenever anybody calls for regulation and oversight. I think we've tried that and look where it got us.

Re: Dont understand Y every1 Likes Obama

[etcet.livejournal.com]

One further point: Senator Obama is about the only person in the Senate who has been unwavering in his stance on the War in Iraq - he has been against it the entire time. How the McCain campaign tried to paint this as "shifting stance" is, frankly, beyond me - He was against it, continued to be against it, was against the surge, and continues to take the stance that the war is the wrong thing to do.

That looks pretty goddamned consistent to me.

Re: Dont understand Y every1 Likes Obama

[tlama.livejournal.com]

No, Obama has NOT been unwavering; he ran against Hillary with the concept of "pull troops out immediately." It has evolved into his current statement of "I have no particular time-table for the withdraw of troops."

And as you like to be factual, lets please not forget Obama's troop withdraw plan was developed before he had visited that country, accessed the situation first hand OR spoke with commanders on the ground.

Again, suppor the man if you must, but lets be accurate in our assessments as I have been with McCain/Palin.

Re: Dont understand Y every1 Likes Obama

[johnrj.livejournal.com]

Obama NEVER voted to defund the troops and never ever said "pull the troops out immediately". A high school kid would know how dangerous such a move would be for the troops. Obama has called for an immediate plan to pull out troops so that we're not there for a 100 years. His official plan has been to have a gradual and prudent withdrawal over a 16-month period, which the Iraqi government has endorsed. What is McCain's plan? As far as McCain's other accusation, that Obama didn't support the surge, McCain fails to mention the serendipitous events which played a major role in its success, i.e. the "Awakening" and the massive bribes paid to the Sunni warlords so that would turn on the insurgents. And, not knowing those peripheral events were going to take place, it is easy to see how the idea of more troops didn't seem like a smart move at the time. The surge got lucky, and McCain knows it.

[y2kdragon.livejournal.com]

I looked at the article on the CNN page over her shoulder, and I STILL didn't believe it.