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I know I shouldn't pay attention to Caribou Barbie, but watching her (and, by extension, a very vocal and visible population of historical revisionists) get put down by the Founding Fathers (via Juan Cole) has perked up my morning a bit.

Thomas Jefferson wrote in his 1777 Draft of a Bill for Religious Freedom:

"... that our civil rights have no dependance on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry; that therefore the proscribing any citizen as unworthy the public confidence by laying upon him an incapacity of being called to offices of trust and emolument, unless he profess or renounce this or that religious opinion, is depriving him injuriously of those privileges and advantages to which, in common with his fellow citizens, he has a natural right...."

TJ again (Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82):

“The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”

And, once and for all, for all the folks who insist "America is a Christian nation!" No, it frankly and explicitly is not.

The US Senate, full of founding fathers, and the Adams government, approved the Treaty with Tripoli (now Libya) of 1797, which included this language:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion...."

That would be pretty bloody unequivocal. Saying otherwise is simply and factually wrong.
Date/Time: 2010-07-19 15:10 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] i-renovated.livejournal.com
I love you for this. Those same people love to talk about how Christian the FF, including TJ was. Huh, guess they didn't look carefully at his two bibles. He had two, because he razorbladed all of Jesus' miracles out and needed to copies to get the job done. That fact really gets them foaming at the mouth, but it always makes me love TJ more.
Date/Time: 2010-07-20 12:10 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] fitfool.livejournal.com
I had to Google to figure out what Caribou Barbie was. But thanks for posting those TJ quotes! These are great! I had long thought that even if the Founding Fathers were Christian, they couldn't possibly have meant for the US to BE a Christian nation.

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