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... which means I can get my blood pressure up at the unrepentant asshattery of our fucking government.

Citizen, you must show your papers so we may track you!

In Soviet Washington... hat wears ass.
Date/Time: 2007-08-17 15:41 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] d-m-v.livejournal.com
Everyone must visit DMV by 2013

goddammit, there goes my beer budget for the next 6 years :P
Date/Time: 2007-08-17 15:54 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] ms-cantrell.livejournal.com
next, the mandatory immunizations will also contain a small locator chip, to help in case of terrorist kidnapping. benevolent big brother.
Date/Time: 2007-08-17 16:31 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] hellsop.livejournal.com
how the hell does one get "proof of social security number"?
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Date/Time: 2007-08-18 15:42 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] hellsop.livejournal.com
You got one of those anymore? I lost mine when I was about 20. No one's ask for it since.

Guess I better go stand in line there soon so I can be in line at the DMV by 2011, so I'll have that ID by 2013.
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Date/Time: 2007-08-19 14:15 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] hellsop.livejournal.com
Nope, they want to know the number, but nobody's ever insisted that it be on government paper. Proof of right to work was all the documentation needed -- passport or birth certificate + state ID is generally how that was accomplished.
Date/Time: 2007-08-17 16:41 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] kaliva.livejournal.com
Oh hell no!! For some reason, I don't see Illinois complying. After all, we are "historically" corrupt. ;)

Aside from that, I have the distinct feeling that by 2013 I will be residing somewhere in the EU, most likely Italy. Unless I go with the other plan and go with reverse illegal immigration and live on the beaches outside of Los Cabos, Mexico.
Date/Time: 2007-08-17 21:02 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] fenixinthedark.livejournal.com
Oh for Christ's sake... like there is not a long enough of a fucking line at the airport and the post office as it is... *Now* we have to combine two institutions that can't handle the lines they have already??? If everyone needs a passport, the wait will be years unless you do it now.
Date/Time: 2007-08-17 21:07 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] padisharfrobozz.livejournal.com
WTH? What does this mean?
"It is simply unreasonable to expect our border inspectors to be able to detect forgeries on documents that range from baptismal certificates from small towns in Texas to cards that purport to reflect citizenship privileges in a province somewhere in Canada," he said.

I thought you already had to have a passport to gain entrance to the US now. So what's this nonsense about baptismal certificates? If you control the borders you don't have to worry about domestic schtuff.
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Date/Time: 2007-08-18 15:45 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] hellsop.livejournal.com
It's had it for years. It's a passport. You just never needed it for stuff *inside* the country.
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Date/Time: 2007-08-19 14:21 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] hellsop.livejournal.com
I'm a little skeptical about relying on disinterest over time. It's generally pretty good for "right now, under current conditions", but next year, next administration, next whatever... who know who will want what to do which with? If the information has to be collected from scratch then, it's hard, it makes noise in public awareness, and there's a window to examine why something is happening.
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Date/Time: 2007-08-22 13:57 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] hellsop.livejournal.com
They already GOT that information. Those are all government identifiers they're asking for back. And a Grand Unified One True and Only ID Card doesn't help you actually track down someone that's planning to do your country wrong.

In order to use a GUOTaOID in order to find a specific person, you need to eliminate any way of circumventing using the card: no more cash, no foreign credit cards allowed, all financial transactions must be reported to your database, all gifts of any kind must be recorded, and any changes in patterns ANYWHERE must be followed-up. If someone buys more than an appropriate amount of groceries, it must be checked that there isn't someone else living with them unrecorded. If a renter buys fertilizer, you must check with the landlord to find out if the tenant is now responsible for lawn care.

Security here is a farce, because security itself is a farce on a grand scale. The scope of things against which a particular thing or place can be protected is inversely proportional to the scope of the thing to be protected. That is, a very small installation or space (like a room or a computer) can be protected against many threats, but a large space (like a city or a country) can only be protected against a very small number of things. Stuff like the GUOTaOID card only serve to give a false sense that something is being does that will protect them individually. Which mean, in simplest terms, it's a lie.